Gary writes with a big-picture question about teaching college physics at the high school level:
A college physics course would be either 4 or more likely 5 credits. A history or language course is often a 3 credit college class. Why do so many high schools treat AP Physics the same as the other AP courses? It is difficult to explain to students, parents, school boards etc that the AP Physics will require much more time and effort than students are used to... I know that many universities are concerned about giving AP Credit especially to science majors.
Firstly, a university "concerned" about giving credit at some level for AP Physics 1 either hasn't done their research, or is operating from a set of assumptions about what "credit" means which is as out of touch with the reality of my students' experience as the Republican party is out of touch with contemporary musical theater.
The answer to Gary's first question is sort of sad, and often damning to the credibility of high school science courses. Teaching rigorous high school physics is incredibly challenging, because we have to know our content backwards and forwards, we have to develop unique pedagogy... but we also have to navigate the most difficult political environment this side of congress. As far as I can tell from extensive anecdotal evidence and personal experience:
1. Most high school administrations have no clue about the comparative difficulty of the AP courses. They understand *that* lab exists, but they don't have a real clue why or how laboratory work should be done. They see their students write baloney with big words in English class, and earn passing scores; but then the same technique earns a 1 on the AP physics exam because physics can't be finessed.
2. Sometimes when the administration does recognize that physics is a different animal, it's not politically possible to treat physics differently. Let's say they give AP physics more class time, or more academic credit, or a smaller student-teacher ratio, or they give an AP physics teacher an extra planning period to set up laboratory work... there WILL be complaints about "fairness" from other AP teachers. Not just administrators, but lots of other teachers think that school should be about reading a book, remembering what's in it, then BSing the way through a discussion and a paper. Why should physics be any different? After all, they hated physics.
But what I don't understand is why any of that should impact universities awarding credit for good scores on the AP Physics 1 exam.
The AP Physics 1 (and AP Physics 2) exam is outstanding and challenging - much more challenging than a typical college physics exam. A student who earns a 5 has not only shown extraordinary mastery of the requisite concepts and skills, but also the aptitude to handle any further physics topic you can throw at her or him. A student who earns a 3 has not just thrown dung at the exam hoping some would stick; such a student has shown considerable though incomplete mastery of the topic.
As a rule, scores from the old AP Physics B exam have shifted down one number. Students who get 4s on AP physics 1 would have gotten 5s on AP Physics B. Most importantly, those who used to pass (i.e. earn at least a 3) on the old physics B exam do NOT pass the physics 1 exam. Why? Because a mathematically talented student without physics knowledge could, on a physics B exam,* plug random numbers into random equations and earn enough credit to pass. Not so in AP physics 1. There are no "pity points" of any sort. If you pass, you understand.
* and in most college courses - that's the university level's dirty secret
In my mind, universities should be actively seeking out students with passing AP Physics 1 scores in order to give them credit and woo them to their school. They are well prepared: perhaps for a physics major eventually, definitely for any rigorous quantitative work at the university level. And the ones with 4s and 5s - department chairs should be recruiting them as they would a quarterback with NFL potential.
Hi Greg,
ReplyDeleteIn your opinion, is it worthwhile to teach AP-1 as a second year course, after students have already taken 9th grade physics? Currently our only second year offering is AP-C Mechanics, taught to a small, elite group of seniors. We are discussing introducing AP-1 for students who want more physics but who might be unwilling or unable to do C. However, even though AP-1 would be more in-depth and substantial than even our 9th grade honors course, we fear that students will look over the AP-1 syllabus and say "I've already done most of this stuff."
We are unwilling to offer AP-1 to 9th graders due to scheduling concerns, even though we have a cohort who could succeed. So again, my question: is it worth it to offer AP-1 as a second year course to juniors and seniors? And if your answer is yes, do you have any tips on how we could sell it to students and parents?
Thanks,
Mike
Yes - it's absolutely worth teaching. Students who had a solid conceptual course freshman year do very well as upperclassmen in AP Physics 1; and they are most certainly challenged appropriately.
ReplyDeleteI think you sell it as simply an AP course. Don't look at "learning objectives" - look at the types of skills students use, the depth of problems they will do. AP questions are well beyond our conceptual students. But as seniors, the foundation provided by the conceptual course means these students can learn to write about and explain physics at the college level. The best sale will be the high scores you'll get. :-)
Hi, Greg. Do you think that giving students homeworks taken from some real past physics B questions for additional practice is a good thing to do? I feel that these past exams can be quite concept-reinforcing at a somewhat fundamental level (i.e. plug in type of reinforcement)
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely! I start the year teaching essentially AP Physics B, then transition gradually so that by January I'm doing nothing but AP Physics 1. Even heavy number crunching physics B problems are useful if you follow up with questions like "how did you figure out the initial speed of the cart?" or "Now imagine we double the cart's mass... how does the cart's initial speed change? Justify your answer."
DeleteThanks, Greg. I find your blog invaluable and have recommended my students to purchase your 5-steps book for AP Physics 1. The other senior teacher who usually compile test/exam problem for the entire class seemed to be proccupied by using plain past physics B problems
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